It’s just like the old joke goes: a priest, a pastor and a rabbi walking into a bar.


Only it wasn’t a bar that the religious power trio walked into last Tuesday. It was The Sheen Center for Thought and Culture on New York City’s famous Bleecker Street – although, contrary to what the name suggests, there’s nothing special cold about what Rev. AR Bernard, Rabbi Joseph Potasnik, and Cardinal Timothy Dolan explored before an enthusiastic audience ahead of the 2024 elections.


Even if faith is in a general decline — as fewer and fewer Americans declare themselves subscribers to any religion — Bernard, Potasnik and their guest of honor, the Archdiocese of Dolan in New York, were invited to the Sheen Center stage Sunday morning for a live viewing of their WABC Radio lecture and a discussion about the current state of religion and politics.


The two topics that most people actively try to avoid.


“Getting along is a lot easier than we think,” said MaryLou Pagano, executive director of the Sheen Center, in introducing the meeting of religious minds. “They really care about interfaith events. They care are diverse, but get along with each other. And there is no better time than now.”


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It is precisely that inclusion that the spirited trio embodied – not just through their invitation from the Sheen, of which they also sit on the board – but through the invitation they extended to people of all faiths.


Or perhaps even more striking: no faith at all.



Dolan, Potasnik, Bernard at Sheen



October 22, 2024 — Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Rabbi Joseph Potasnik and the Rev. AR Bernard embraced at the Sheen Center for Thought and Culture ahead of the 2024 presidential election.





“I think we have a crisis here,” Rabbi Postanik said, addressing the decline of religion in America, especially among younger generations. “But we have a chance. Many of these young people do not walk through the front door of the house of worship, but walk to a food bank. They will do something to help others. And they’ll say, ‘I’m not religious, I’m spiritual.’ And we try to say to them, ‘What you call spiritual, we call religious.'”



“In the end, it’s what you do, not what you say, because faith is measured by behavior.”


– Rabbi Joseph Potasnik, who preaches with the motto “we do not impose, we propose”


“If you feed the hungry, help the poor and do something to rehabilitate someone else, that is religious,” Potasnik explained. “In the end, it’s what you do, not what you say, because faith is measured by behavior.”


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The trio spoke to Fox News Digital ahead of their show to discuss the upcoming presidential election resulting in enormous stress and anxiety for many, if not most, Americans.


“The message of Jesus transcends the political landscape of his time, and it transcends the political landscape of our time,” said Rev. Bernard of the Christian Cultural Center. “The reality is that we live in this world and we are influenced by policies, systems, structures and practices. And we must respond. And we respond by voting. And when we think about voting, we are actually giving power to someone to make decisions about our quality of life and the future of our nation, so we have to take it very seriously and imagine a nation that in accordance with our core principles of human dignity and general interest.”


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Rabbi Potasnik, executive vice chairman of the New York Board of Rabbis, compared the country’s current divisions to the discrepancy in the story between a book and its film adaptation.


“We’re called the people of the book. And I think the sad thing about that is that the movie today is different from the book. It’s almost a contradiction to the book. In our places of worship we talk about respect. We talk about solidarity, cohesion, solidarity, cooperation, communication, all those things. But when you leave the house of worship, you see a whole different world.”


“We are polarized. We don’t just disagree with each other. We belittle each other,” he continued. ‘I think our challenge is to… film and the book look alike. So we have to keep telling people that it’s okay to disagree. It’s okay to have a different point of view, but it’s not okay to take someone else and completely devalue that because we are all children of God. If we are children of God, we are expected to act in a certain way, with dignity and decency. And I hope we can narrow the gap.”


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Cardinal Dolan, who was appointed the tenth and current Archbishop of New York fifteen years ago by Pope Benedict XVI, added to the rabbi’s analogy and implored the people: And politicians – with different beliefs, to treat each other with more respect.



“We need to be as passionate and enthusiastic about the issues as we can be, but always respect the people who hold them.”


– Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Archbishop of New York


“When all three of us studied to prepare for ministry, when we studied debate, when we studied rhetoric, when we studied logic, we learned that the weakest argument was when you go after the person,” Dolan told Fox News Digital. “Stick to the principles. Stick to the policies. Stick to the issues. Don’t lash out. Don’t try to judge motives or lash out at the person. We need to be as passionate and enthusiastic about the issues as we can be , but always with respect for the people they hold. And that’s what we don’t need, these ad-hominem campaigns, and I’m talking about both sides.


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“Wouldn’t you think that if we had a female or male candidate who said, ‘I’m going to run a positive campaign. I’m not going to talk about the other person. I’m going to talk about their policies and issues, and I’m not going to talk about myself. I’m going to talk about the problems, and I’m going to talk about what I hope to achieve. not attack what they say they want to achieve,” the archbishop said. ‘Does that sound naive? I think it might be so. But boy, I wish that could be the case.”



Dolan, Potasnik, Bernard



Archbishop of New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan joined Rabbi Joseph Potasnik and the Rev. AR Bernard at The Sheen Center on October 22, 2024, for a live episode of WBAC’s “The Rev and the Rabbi.” (WBAC / The Sheen Center for Thought and Culture)





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With the election just days away, the trio concluded their conversations for the evening by reminding their audience, and ours as well, that having hope for the country’s future starts with having faith in your higher power – and that the nature of one requires the other. .


“You cannot be a person of faith without being a prisoner of hope,” Rev. Bernard insisted.


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